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Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/6/2008 9:33:09 PM
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softrain
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The bible says in 1 Peter 5:8 that the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Sounds like animals to me. Lions attack their prey because they are hungry. They don't kill because they have a grudge against their prey. Of course, the spiritual realm is different than the earthly one, but maybe not that different. Demons want our souls and spirits to devour.
Since Jesus is our shepherd, and he always has a watchful eye on his sheep, even if we strayed, he can hear our cries for help, and will kill any "animal" that tries to harm us. That's a good guarantee.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/6/2008 10:32:45 PM
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Satan is LIKE a lion in that he prowls around seeking whom he may devour. That doesn't mean he's a spiritual animal.
The Bible also calls Satan a thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Animals don't try to steal and destroy necessarily for only the sake of stealing and destroying. Those actions for an animal are just the result of their appetite. But in Satan's case, it sure sounds like he LIKES and WANTS to steal and destroy.
Revelation says that the beast makes war on the saints. That sounds like vindictiveness and malice to me.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/7/2008 12:26:39 PM
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Yes Jesus is our Shepherd if we allow it to be that way in reality for many allow the evil nature to be the shepherd even people who go to church every Sunday, notice I didn't say Christians...that is for GOD to say for he will make that decision who is a Christian or not for he has the manuscript of our hearts! Yes he will protect us from evil but lurking and accepting evil is something else.....for that is by choice....the evil does exist indeed but it has no power only what we choose to indulge in the evil realm. The Bible consists of Life, Death and destruction...not always a beautiful picture to portrat at time. "As I speak to you, therefore I speak to myself as well. Blessings to you
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/7/2008 3:29:45 PM
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the devil - satan - is NOT a demon; he is a fallen angel. Different class of beings.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/7/2008 4:08:18 PM
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As Tricia said, the key word there is "like." An example is being given, not a didactic statement of fact.
As for individual demons, I would say they are no more animals than angels are.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/19/2008 6:39:15 PM
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Hold up Mr.Fibbles not really understanding what your saying, demons aren't animals nor is Satan, the animal references are just metaphors like " I feel like a butterfly" those types there just descritpions. Demons are spirits, fallen angels. Angels and Demons are two different things, neither angels are demons are literally animals, they look like humans they have no gender. correct me if I misunderstood
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/19/2008 7:01:08 PM
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'Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God that he may exalt you at the proper time, 7 casting all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. Be observant and on the alert; your adversary, the devil, prowls like a toothless lion and[in a moment of weakness]he can consume a soul.'(1Peter 5:7,8)
Demons, as angels and morals(us), were(are)created beings to glorify God and as such all three have an appreciation and eternal future and fate. Animals on the other hand have no concept of a future or ability to appreciate God.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/19/2008 7:13:29 PM
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Demons are, fallen angels who are the agents that do satans bidding. When lucifer, (satan) fell from heaven, the word says that one third of the
angels in heaven fell with him. I think when Peter says that satan prowls around "like" a roaring lion, he is using a word picture to describe what satans nature is like. He refers to him as our adversary. Therefore be sober and vigilant. Also to resist him, steadfast in the faith. Ephesians 6:15 says to take up the shield of faith to quench all the firey darts of the wicked one. The wicked one refers to the devil. Here it talks about firey darts. A lion does not throw firey darts. So the animal reference to a lion is a metaphor to show how the devil like to operate.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/19/2008 11:23:02 PM
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correct me if I misunderstood
I'm happy to say you did. I quite agree that neither demons nor angels are animals. That is why I said that, just as angels are not animals, neither are demons. I agreed with another poster's statement, that the phrase "like a lion" was only a metaphor, which we could identify thanks to the word "like" being used.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/20/2008 1:05:52 AM
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Jesus wrote for us regarding 'every unclean and detestable bird'. Jesus is The Word and all things have their being and were created for Him and in Him and through Him. Jesus wrote concerning other animals: foxes (that ruin the vineyards and were set on fire by Sampson to devour the enemies fields in Prophecy regarding how the enemies' own field will be devoured by his own agents) have holes (the nations have fallen into the pit that they dug for themselves in holding to teachings of unclean demon practices and evil), and birds (spiritual beings; for we also are spirit on the inside) have nests. People were created after the angels and after the animals on the sixth day and given dominion over the other embodied creatures. One can notice for the Way how each dog and cat differs in personality, that they have spirit. For to be absent the body is to be present with The Lord.
Demons can be the wolves that attack the sheep or come over the edge of the pen as liars and thieves as in the parable. Surely we are sheep among spiritual wolverines and other dangerous animals. It is written regarding some of the different classes of Angelic Beings: Seraphim, Cherbim, sprits of fire and ministering spirits with the healing and ideas and visions that we need. The Kingdom does not discriminate with regard to doctrine alone. These were written to have had it revealed to them that they were serving God in serving the people that they guard and watch over. The True Doctrine is what is hidden in peoples hearts and what they hold on to in faith and everyday practices. Pomp and circumstance does not outway substance. Substance is the realization of practiced Sound Doctrine that is powerful and effective. Therefore, when a being falls they no longer have maintained their Holiness Okeeterion sheen and now are burnt darkness lesser glory forms participating in the kingdom of the devil. We are called from out of that kingdom to overcome the darkness attained the prize faith bestowed by the Grace of God. Paul instructed us regarding how this could affect our Holiness Okeeterion form when resurrected; to take heed lest We fall and become resurrected as darkness tar baby wandering star reserved for outer darkness for all eternity. Hell is dark pitch burning sulfur; there is no light there.
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correct me if I misunderstood
I'm happy to say you did. I quite agree that neither demons nor angels are animals. That is why I said that, just as angels are not animals, neither are demons. I agreed with another poster's statement, that the phrase "like a lion" was only a metaphor, which we could identify thanks to the word "like" being used.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/20/2008 1:26:15 PM
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Holiness Okeeterion
Could you explain this phrase, please? I Googled it, and nothing came up except your post.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/20/2008 2:40:40 PM
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I may have mispelled the word, but the greek is that they lost their places exchanging their glory for shame and losing their original form and Bright Glory. We are called to inherit the new creation out of the fallen from Grace state in The Resurrection and The Life of the first born among the dead unto increasing fruit of Goodness and, eventually when complete, will be raised as angels to stand Judgment as Jesus taught in the Glory of the new inner being.
Do not you know that we (the Apostles and those given thrones to judge as written in revelation) will be judging angels (the scattered and resurrected elect)? is the Apostles warning to us. The Heavenly Angels will take part in the separation of the goats and sheep and they will execute judgments jointly as fellow servants along with Those who are given Thrones (24 elders etc.; queen of sheba will be called as a witness) and they will Judge all things private and otherwise and they will throw those who do not have their names in The Book of Life and anyone who takes the mark of the false prophet into gehena forever.
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Holiness Okeeterion
Could you explain this phrase, please? I Googled it, and nothing came up except your post.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/20/2008 2:56:58 PM
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Demons/devils same thing. Satan is the Devil. Satan could be called a demon, too. Why not?
Demons as spiritual animals. What a tantalizing thought. I don't buy it, but I kind of like it. 
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/20/2008 4:09:56 PM
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I'm curious jerowhy, where is the scripture reference that says we, the
believers, will be ressurected as angels. Angels are a created class of heavenly beings that are God's minisering agents to those who are believers. Hebrews, 1:14. The angels that we will set in judjment over are
those fallen angels who gave up their place in heaven when lucifer, or better know as the devil fell from his place.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 3:03:04 PM
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Jesus wrote for us regarding 'every unclean and detestable bird'. Jesus is The Word and all things have their being and were created for Him and in Him and through Him. Jesus wrote concerning other animals: foxes (that ruin the vineyards and were set on fire by Sampson to devour the enemies fields in Prophecy regarding how the enemies' own field will be devoured by his own agents) have holes (the nations have fallen into the pit that they dug for themselves in holding to teachings of unclean demon practices and evil), and birds (spiritual beings; for we also are spirit on the inside) have nests. People were created after the angels and after the animals on the sixth day and given dominion over the other embodied creatures. One can notice for the Way how each dog and cat differs in personality, that they have spirit. For to be absent the body is to be present with The Lord.
This post is spiritualizing a number of things that the Lord meant to be taken literally in order for his hearers to understand the cost of following Him. Foxes have holes simply means that literal foxes have literal holes fo homes, and birds of the air have nests means that literal birds have literal nests for homes, as a contrast to Jesus who said he hes no place to lay his head. I trust that this post was well intentioned, but it is a profoundly dangerous twisting of Scripture. The Bible cannot mean what it never meant, and the hearers of Jesus' words would have understood them as a simple contrast meaning that even birds and animals have a home but he did not (and those who seek to follow himshould have no such expectation). When Scripture is twisted people are led astray with eternal consequences. We have no writings of Jesus btw and there is no suggestion in Scripture that He ever wrote anything save the letters to the churches He dictated to John in Revelation.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 3:44:36 PM
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Such teachings are reducing the substance by Faith of what is written? How conservative of us would it be to explain away The Word of God by our own worldly understandings? Thus making the Creator's sayings to be mere stories rather than Kingdom Reality. Isn't it because the lying hand of scribes have handled it falsely is the Prophets. The hearers of His Word were The Apostles whose eyes and ears were Blessed because they see The Kingdom. They could see the demons and spirits as could the 72. Blessed are they who have not seen, yet have believed. When Jesus calls Herod a fox, The Creator knows already what is inside a person in the inner parts of the spirit and knows what was put there. He must have acted like a fox, after John the baptist, Jesus and The Apostles, Herod refused to repent and was struck down with the maggots that he had earned by unbelief and the evil he had done in martyring John; where their worm never dies in the kingdom of the devil.
Unless one is born of water and Spirit, they will not see The Kingdom. Only the Friends and Family that do the Will of The Father enter The Kingdom. This is the way it is on earth. At The Coming of The Judgment Day of The Lord, the secrets of peoples will be Judged and revealed.
Open your eyes for the field is huge Jesus told His disciples. My Words are Spirit and they are Life said The Lord regarding the Foundation Scripture.
Regarding that Jesus did not write we see that He Wrote His Covenant and Commandments on the People. He who listens to you listens to Me, He who receives you receives Me, he who receives Me receives The One who Sent Me. If anyone receives any little person, they receive Me.
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Jesus wrote for us regarding 'every unclean and detestable bird'. Jesus is The Word and all things have their being and were created for Him and in Him and through Him. Jesus wrote concerning other animals: foxes (that ruin the vineyards and were set on fire by Sampson to devour the enemies fields in Prophecy regarding how the enemies' own field will be devoured by his own agents) have holes (the nations have fallen into the pit that they dug for themselves in holding to teachings of unclean demon practices and evil), and birds (spiritual beings; for we also are spirit on the inside) have nests. People were created after the angels and after the animals on the sixth day and given dominion over the other embodied creatures. One can notice for the Way how each dog and cat differs in personality, that they have spirit. For to be absent the body is to be present with The Lord.
This post is spiritualizing a number of things that the Lord meant to be taken literally in order for his hearers to understand the cost of following Him. Foxes have holes simply means that literal foxes have literal holes fo homes, and birds of the air have nests means that literal birds have literal nests for homes, as a contrast to Jesus who said he hes no place to lay his head. I trust that this post was well intentioned, but it is a profoundly dangerous twisting of Scripture. The Bible cannot mean what it never meant, and the hearers of Jesus' words would have understood them as a simple contrast meaning that even birds and animals have a home but he did not (and those who seek to follow himshould have no such expectation). When Scripture is twisted people are led astray with eternal consequences. We have no writings of Jesus btw and there is no suggestion in Scripture that He ever wrote anything save the letters to the churches He dictated to John in Revelation.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 4:49:28 PM
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How conservative of us would it be to explain away The Word of God by our own worldly understandings?
Just because you use more "spiritual" sounding words doesn't mean you're not also using your own understanding.
We are called to worship God with our minds. That means we don't turn our brains off when we open the Bible.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 10:12:57 PM
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demons are fallen angels. some are beast and some aren't. we fight them just the same though and both types can possess and influence people. some can change shape like the devil when he took the form of a snake. but in the beginning before he fell from heaven he was the angel of light. we need to focus more on fighting them. they can be compared to animals can we. but they are mainly metaphores. some are litteraly like the four beast in the end of times. i think you should ask God to give you the ability to see demons and angels. yes some people can see them just as some can prophicy. it will be scary at when you see them but you will be able to fight them cuz you will be able to see who they are attacking.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 11:42:23 PM
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Thanks for your comment. I hope that no one thinks that it is a central doctrinal teaching style to add extra explanation not found in Scriptura per se. Rather that would be readers own discourse, for the most part, which is that we should beware of anything in addition to what Scripture actually says.
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How conservative of us would it be to explain away The Word of God by our own worldly understandings?
Just because you use more "spiritual" sounding words doesn't mean you're not also using your own understanding.
We are called to worship God with our minds. That means we don't turn our brains off when we open the Bible.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/21/2008 11:49:38 PM
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Sowed one way, raised eternal. Jesus said: do you not know that in paradise there is neither marrying nor giving in marriage for they are like the Angels? Therefore, we may be called as testimony in the court thereby judging angels. But especially those given thrones to Judge in The Millennium will do so.
The Beast (the fallen Angels joint kingdom of darkness), The Dragon, and the false prophet are thrown alive right away into the lake of gehena. They have received Judgment already, as evidenced that some of them begged Christ not to banish them to the bottomless pit.
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I'm curious jerowhy, where is the scripture reference that says we, the
believers, will be ressurected as angels. Angels are a created class of heavenly beings that are God's minisering agents to those who are believers. Hebrews, 1:14. The angels that we will set in judjment over are
those fallen angels who gave up their place in heaven when lucifer, or better know as the devil fell from his place.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/22/2008 11:12:33 AM
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Sowed one way, raised eternal. Jesus said: do you not know that in paradise there is neither marrying nor giving in marriage for they are like the Angels? Therefore, we may be called as testimony in the court thereby judging angels. But especially those given thrones to Judge in The Millennium will do so.
The Beast (the fallen Angels joint kingdom of darkness), The Dragon, and the false prophet are thrown alive right away into the lake of gehena. They have received Judgment already, as evidenced that some of them begged Christ not to banish them to the bottomless pit.
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I'm curious jerowhy, where is the scripture reference that says we, the
believers, will be ressurected as angels. Angels are a created class of heavenly beings that are God's minisering agents to those who are believers. Hebrews, 1:14. The angels that we will set in judjment over are
those fallen angels who gave up their place in heaven when lucifer, or better know as the devil fell from his place.
Yes, it says that they are "like" the angels of God in heaven. Like does not mean the same as. 1Corinthinans 15:44-49 says that we are sown a natural body but raised a spiritual body. Verse 49, and as we have borne the image of the man of dust, (Adam) we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 1 John 3:2, Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. God is Spirit, and every created being in the heavenlies is a spirit being. The word says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. We will all be changed and resurrected as spiritual beings, but each one will have a new spiritual body. 1Corinthians, 15:35-49. Hebrews 2: 11, For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren. Verse 16, For inded He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. We as believers are the seed of Abraham. That is why He calls us bretheren. Every being in heaven is a spiritual being, but each one will have a different kind of body.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/22/2008 3:31:37 PM
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A few years ago, i worked with someone, who for all intents and purposes, was a demon; in particular a python.
A few questions. Are you suggesting that this person was literally a demon? Not possessed by a demon, but literally were, in and of themselves, a demon? Also, do you have any scriptural support for this idea of demons being manifested as animals?
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/22/2008 4:35:16 PM
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A few questions. Are you suggesting that this person was literally a
demon? Not possessed by a demon, but literally were, in and of themselves, a demon?
Hmmm....they were an instrument of the devil, I suppose you could say they were possessed. It's hard to explain....almost like they were programmed to go after me.
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Also, do you have any scriptural support for this idea of demons being manifested as animals?
Demons are manifested in the "unseen" realm. It is a little hard for the authors of the bible to describe things unseen. But the bible is rife with these scriptures.
Psalm 7: 1 O LORD my God, I take refuge in you;
save and deliver me from all who pursue me,
2 or they will tear me like a lion
and rip me to pieces with no one to rescue me.
Psalm 10:8 He lies in wait near the villages;
from ambush he murders the innocent,
watching in secret for his victims.
9 He lies in wait like a lion in cover;
he lies in wait to catch the helpless;
he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
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RE: Are demons "spiritual animals" ? - 11/22/2008 4:49:35 PM
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almost like they were programmed to go after me.
Did the exhibit super-human strength, or crazy behavior?
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It is a little hard for the authors of the bible to describe things unseen. But the bible is rife with these scriptures.
But those aren't describing demons - they're describing wicked people. Big difference there. : )
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