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Define some things for me... "evangelistic"..... - 11/16/2008 1:32:27 PM
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jbow
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I read a lot of things that draw a distinction between evangelistic, born again, and traditional protestant.
I think I have a handle on reformed and pentecostal and I realize that all Christians are born again, (my question is referring to a group part of American Christianity referred to as born Again).
I have a suspicion that most of the differences can be traced back to Charles Finney, but I am not sure. (But I am suspicious of a man who became ordained through deception.)
Thanks for the help...
Julien
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/16/2008 4:58:16 PM
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Or possibly traced back to;
(Joh 3:3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(Joh 3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
(Joh 3:8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
A person must be born agaoin by the Spirit (Baptized into the family of God, become a Child of God) to be saved.
Paul harps in on this theme with;
(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
New Birth, new creature.
Now some Calvinist might not think "Being born again" so immortant, but Jesus Christ said it was a necessity.
Same with Evangelical. (Evangelicals believe they are to spread the Gospel to whosoever will). again Calvinist think God has already choses those for Heaven and Hell so evangelism to them may seem a little strange.
Based on the above Scriptures from John about being born again; and on;
(Mat 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(Mat 28:20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
and on;
(Act 1:8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
I consider being "Born Again" and telling the world about the Gospel very important; but of course I am a born again evangelical Christian.
Thanks
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/16/2008 11:10:00 PM
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This Calvinist believes both being born again and witnessing are important. This Calvinist also doesn't know any other Calvinists who do not think likewise.
Just because we believe in "the elect" does not necessitate that we ignore scriptural commands to go out and make disciples or that we overlook the verses that clearly state that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/16/2008 11:17:07 PM
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Please don't turn this into a Calvinist thread--we have a thread for that.
The OP asks for definitions of "Evangelical," "born-again" and "traditional protestant." He already knows what a Calvinist is.
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/16/2008 11:20:01 PM
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Great questions. I've been wondering about the same things.
You know what protestants are: they are the result of Martin Luther's reformation. (I'm doing this in a hurry, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I'm not a theologian, just someone who's been wondering these same things).
Protestants are basically grouped into Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. I saw a good definition of Evangelicals on here the other day; I'll have to look for it. Fundamentalists, as the name suggests, go back to the fundamentals of the Word of God. Also, from my perspective, they don't have much faith in science.
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/17/2008 12:01:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: jbow
I read a lot of things that draw a distinction between evangelistic, born again, and traditional protestant.
You probably mean "evangelical" vs "protestant". Evangelicals are all those who believe and preach the Gospel, including Protestants. So one can be an evangelical without necessarily identifying himself with Protestants. Anabaptists and Baptists were evangelical but bitterly opposed by the Reformers, who persecuted them. There are various other Christian groups who stand outside the "mainline" denominations, and prefer not be be identified with them.
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I think I have a handle on reformed and pentecostal and I realize that all Christians are born again, (my question is referring to a group part of American Christianity referred to as born Again).
Those who believe that one must be "born again" in order to enter the Kingdom of God are basically evangelicals. However, there is a wide spectrum of "evangelicals", ranging all the way from Neo-Orthodox to Fundamentalist. There can be both Protestants and Non-Protestants among these evangelicals (and this includes both the Reformed as well as the Pentecostals).
Actually, the term evangelical has lost its traditional meaning in North America in that (1) the Gospel has been watered down significantly in many churches, (2) Christian standards and values have been discarded by many Christians, and (3) churches have become worldly in adopting the ways of the world in every phase of church life.
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I have a suspicion that most of the differences can be traced back to Charles Finney, but I am not sure. (But I am suspicious of a man who became ordained through deception.)
Don't believe everything you read about people. There is a lot of anti-Finney propaganda out there, just as there is anit-Scofield propaganda. While I am not a Finney "fan" per se, I would be careful to make sure I have my facts straight. In any event, Finney was not the only evangelical preacher of great influence. The Wesleys were even more influential, as were many others.
Also, keep in mind that the so-called "traditionalist" Protestant denominations actually turned liberal in the 19th and 20th century, and as a result the true Gospel became of little or no consequence. So when you are examining the various Christian groups, the real issue is their current theology, not necessary what the Reformers taught and believed. Calvin did not teach many things held by today's Calvinists.
The Bible teaches that before the coming of Christ, there will be a great "falling away" or apostasy within the churches. Much of that is already evident for those who have eyes to see.
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/17/2008 12:13:24 AM
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Also, from my perspective, they don't have much faith in science.
Science is not something in which one needs to have "faith". Science is a discovery and application of how God has made this universe, and the natural laws which govern it. God created "science".
There are many fundamentalist Christians who also happen to be scientists. Read "the Genesis Flood" by Whitcomb and Morris. John C. MacCampbell, Professor and Head of the Department of Geology, University of Southwestern Lousiana, wrote the foreword.
While John C. Whitcomb was a Professor of Theology, Henry M. Morris, M.S., Ph. D., was a Professor in Civil Engineering, who also believed that the Bible is the very Word of God, and that God created this universe in six, literal 24-hour days. That is a fundamentalist belief.
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/17/2008 12:35:31 AM
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Also, from my perspective, they don't have much faith in science.
Science is not something in which one needs to have "faith". Science is a discovery and application of how God has made this universe, and the natural laws which govern it. God created "science".
There are many fundamentalist Christians who also happen to be scientists. Read "the Genesis Flood" by Whitcomb and Morris. John C. MacCampbell, Professor and Head of the Department of Geology, University of Southwestern Lousiana, wrote the foreword.
While John C. Whitcomb was a Professor of Theology, Henry M. Morris, M.S., Ph. D., was a Professor in Civil Engineering, who also believed that the Bible is the very Word of God, and that God created this universe in six, literal 24-hour days. That is a fundamentalist belief.
Thank you. Like I said, I was just explaining my brief understanding. But where do fundamentalists stand on psychology? This is an area I'd like to really explore further, but probably too far off topic for this thread. 
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/17/2008 8:38:50 AM
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In case no one has noticed, the world has redefined "evangelical" to mean anyone who actually believes all that Jesus stuff. I guess to differentiate those who actually believe, from those who say they believe, but don't. Evangelical has replaced "fundamentalist" as the catch word to describe believing Christians, by the world.
I am just a plain old Christian myself. But, just as the world gave us the title of Christian as an insult, and we now wear it as a badge of honor...so I will gladly accept the title of fundamentalist, evangelical, born again, or whatever else they come up with...if it defines me as one who truly does and always will believe all that Jesus stuff. 
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RE: Define some things for me... "evangelistic&quo... - 11/17/2008 11:12:12 AM
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jbow
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ORIGINAL: jbow
I read a lot of things that draw a distinction between evangelistic, born again, and traditional protestant.
You probably mean "evangelical" vs "protestant". Evangelicals are all those who believe and preach the Gospel, including Protestants. So one can be an evangelical without necessarily identifying himself with Protestants. Anabaptists and Baptists were evangelical but bitterly opposed by the Reformers, who persecuted them. There are various other Christian groups who stand outside the "mainline" denominations, and prefer not be be identified with them.
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I think I have a handle on reformed and pentecostal and I realize that all Christians are born again, (my question is referring to a group part of American Christianity referred to as born Again).
Those who believe that one must be "born again" in order to enter the Kingdom of God are basically evangelicals. However, there is a wide spectrum of "evangelicals", ranging all the way from Neo-Orthodox to Fundamentalist. There can be both Protestants and Non-Protestants among these evangelicals (and this includes both the Reformed as well as the Pentecostals).
Actually, the term evangelical has lost its traditional meaning in North America in that (1) the Gospel has been watered down significantly in many churches, (2) Christian standards and values have been discarded by many Christians, and (3) churches have become worldly in adopting the ways of the world in every phase of church life.
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I have a suspicion that most of the differences can be traced back to Charles Finney, but I am not sure. (But I am suspicious of a man who became ordained through deception.)
Don't believe everything you read about people. There is a lot of anti-Finney propaganda out there, just as there is anit-Scofield propaganda. While I am not a Finney "fan" per se, I would be careful to make sure I have my facts straight. In any event, Finney was not the only evangelical preacher of great influence. The Wesleys were even more influential, as were many others.
Also, keep in mind that the so-called "traditionalist" Protestant denominations actually turned liberal in the 19th and 20th century, and as a result the true Gospel became of little or no consequence. So when you are examining the various Christian groups, the real issue is their current theology, not necessary what the Reformers taught and believed. Calvin did not teach many things held by today's Calvinists.
The Bible teaches that before the coming of Christ, there will be a great "falling away" or apostasy within the churches. Much of that is already evident for those who have eyes to see.
It has become just a bit confusing. A few months ago I got a poll that asked if I am a Christian, then it asked if I am "Evangelical" or "born again". I did not know how to answer it. Some things I read talk about evangelicalism and other groups and they never bother to define them.
I didn't mean 'born again" as required in the word but as a group title.
Thanks,
Julien
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