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Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 11/18/2008 3:23:08 PM
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stampinlady
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I've always believed that Mr. Yates should have been charged with something, but not quite sue what. How do you charge a man for his wifes deeds? I watched him on GMA and becamse anrgy. I know we are to be merciful, but I just think he got away with abuse or something even worse. Am I wrong to feel this way? http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6278872&page=1e
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 11/18/2008 4:47:02 PM
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I've always felt that he did bear some of the fault, although I'm not sure he did anything that is actually illegal. I think he had to know that his wife had emotional and psychological problems and needed help.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 11/18/2008 4:52:08 PM
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I think that story got blown out of porporation like alot of the stories do like this.
The fact that they speak, email, and they both wish each other well makes me feel a bit better.
She was seeing doctor's from what I remember of the case - its been a while. I do remember being MAD at him at first, but I remember questioning the help they got as well.
You have to wonder how much pressure and emotional stress he was under as well as they both dealt with her illiness as well.
The whole story just creeped me out to begin with!
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 11/19/2008 9:11:42 AM
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The whole story just creeped me out to begin with!
Yes, and to see him with married again with a child, hmmm . I know people heal, but .... it was weird.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 11/19/2008 11:47:01 AM
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I've always believed that Mr. Yates should have been charged with something, but not quite sue what. How do you charge a man for his wifes deeds? I watched him on GMA and becamse anrgy. I know we are to be merciful, but I just think he got away with abuse or something even worse. Am I wrong to feel this way? http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6278872&page=1e
Rusty skated away with no legal consequence and he let Andrea take all the blame. He should be happy with his new life and thankful Andrea was so sick that she couldn't mount a good defense. I've never heard Rusty accept one ounce of blame for his neglect of his family.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/6/2008 1:06:01 AM
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I can't say for sure if he was abusive, as I wasn't there..but I did think he was at fault (as was she) in not following doctors' orders..the doctor had told them the shouldn't have a 5th child, because he could see that's what it would do to her.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/6/2008 10:43:56 AM
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They (Rusty and Andrea) had too many children too soon one right after another. Women can get really depressed even suicidal after giving birth.. HE (Rusty) told her more less put up or shut up...
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/6/2008 2:48:30 PM
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I've never heard Rusty accept one ounce of blame for his neglect of his family. A sure sign of an abuser, IMO. Everything is ALWAYS all the woman's fault.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/6/2008 9:38:52 PM
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I would say he got away with abuse. I mean he and andrea were living in a small trailer when they started having kids, then moved into a house. He expected her to be responsible for everything from taking care of the kids to home schooling, why he did squat to help. Even after a doctor told them not have anymore kids due to Andreas mental stability, he goes and gets her pregnant again. I thought taking care of my one child was enough, but 5 no way. She probably didn't have a minute to herself. From what I understand Rusty would even verbally criticize her about not keeping up the house, taking care of the children etc.. Some women can handle all of that, but others can't. He knew she wasn't right in the mind, but really did nothing to help alieve her problems.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 12:22:41 AM
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I would say he got away with abuse. I mean he and andrea were living in a small trailer when they started having kids, then moved into a house. He expected her to be responsible for everything from taking care of the kids to home schooling, why he did squat to help. Even after a doctor told them not have anymore kids due to Andreas mental stability, he goes and gets her pregnant again. I thought taking care of my one child was enough, but 5 no way. She probably didn't have a minute to herself. From what I understand Rusty would even verbally criticize her about not keeping up the house, taking care of the children etc.. Some women can handle all of that, but others can't. He knew she wasn't right in the mind, but really did nothing to help alieve her problems.
Are we discussing a real issue here, or simply engaging in gossip?
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 12:51:40 AM
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Are we discussing a real issue here, or simply engaging in gossip?
Everything I mention is from watching interviews with Rusty, his mother and friends of the family.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 8:38:38 AM
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Is this a serious thread?
A woman drowns her 5 kids in the bathtub and its her husband's fault because he fathered the children and occasionally criticized her? What absolute nonsense.
She may have been crazy and anxious and felt helpless and had a low self-image and had any number of problems in her life, but she is the one who decided to kill her children. She alone is guilty.
Lots of people have 5-6 kids. Go back a generation and families with 10-12 kids were common. A friend comes from a family of 20 children and somehow his mother was able to keep from drowning her kids (the bathtub was probably too small).
Crazy people do crazy things. You can't expect anybody to foresee such a tragedy, and you can't blame someone for not seeing.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 11:36:22 AM
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Is this a serious thread?
A woman drowns her 5 kids in the bathtub and its her husband's fault because he fathered the children and occasionally criticized her? What absolute nonsense.
She may have been crazy and anxious and felt helpless and had a low self-image and had any number of problems in her life, but she is the one who decided to kill her children. She alone is guilty.
Lots of people have 5-6 kids. Go back a generation and families with 10-12 kids were common. A friend comes from a family of 20 children and somehow his mother was able to keep from drowning her kids (the bathtub was probably too small).
Crazy people do crazy things. You can't expect anybody to foresee such a tragedy, and you can't blame someone for not seeing.
Rusty cannot be held guilt free. He has to shelter some of the blame. He knew she was suffering from severe postpartum depression and was advised not to have anymore children, but got her pregnant again anyway. People raising children in large families long ago were not home schooling their children either.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 3:06:07 PM
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Is this a serious thread?
A woman drowns her 5 kids in the bathtub and its her husband's fault because he fathered the children and occasionally criticized her? What absolute nonsense.
She may have been crazy and anxious and felt helpless and had a low self-image and had any number of problems in her life, but she is the one who decided to kill her children. She alone is guilty.
Lots of people have 5-6 kids. Go back a generation and families with 10-12 kids were common. A friend comes from a family of 20 children and somehow his mother was able to keep from drowning her kids (the bathtub was probably too small).
Crazy people do crazy things. You can't expect anybody to foresee such a tragedy, and you can't blame someone for not seeing.
Rusty cannot be held guilt free. He has to shelter some of the blame. He knew she was suffering from severe postpartum depression and was advised not to have anymore children, but got her pregnant again anyway. People raising children in large families long ago were not home schooling their children either.
He was probably blue, too, with her getting pregnant on him five times when she was told not to. Or maybe he figured she was out of the dumps since she went and got pregnant. He, of course, being depressed and overly tired from the responsibilty of feeding so many mouths, was unable to fully appreciate his wife's craziness or recognize that she had homicidal tendancies. (I'm not trying to be sarcastic . . . or am I?)
As for home schooling, you are right. for the last hundred years or so, most people were not home-schooled; but some were. And if you care to read up on John Wesley's mother, you will find an example of a woman with a good excuse to have post partum blues, who very successfully home-schooled the surviving 10 of her nineteen children without a great deal of support from her husband.
Susanna Wesleys are rare, of course, but her success in her much more difficult situation certainly shows what can be done despite hard times, and indicates--to me--that an imperfect home life is no excuse for murder.
Rusty may not have been the perfect husband, but he had no hand in killing his kids and should bear no guilt.
Andrea let crazy hold sway and did a crazy thing. That is what crazy people often do. She, alone, is to blame. Hopefully, she will be locked up the rest of her life.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 3:30:21 PM
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He was probably blue, too, with her getting pregnant on him five times when she was told not to. Or maybe he figured she was out of the dumps since she went and got pregnant. He, of course, being depressed and overly tired from the responsibility of feeding so many mouths, was unable to fully appreciate his wife's craziness or recognize that she had homicidal tendencies. (I'm not trying to be sarcastic . . . or am I?)
Rusty may not have been the perfect husband, but he had no hand in killing his kids and should bear no guilt.
Rusty and Andrea were not advised to not have anymore children after the birth of their 4th child. Prior to getting pregnant the 5th time she had tried to commit suicide. She was also admitted to a Mental Ward which she left early from, which he knew about and didn't make her return. Prior to the killing of her children she was despondent and had a flat affect. All signs of Mental instability, which Rusty was aware of. So, does most certainly must bear some of the blame.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 3:53:50 PM
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Rusty may not have been the perfect husband, but he had no hand in killing his kids and should bear no guilt.
Maybe the real question should be did Mrs. Yates beat the death penalty for multiple murders by sone trumphed up psyche defence.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 6:04:25 PM
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Prior to the killing of her children she was despondent and had a flat affect. All signs of Mental instability, which Rusty was aware of. So, does most certainly must bear some of the
So, if someone is depressed and exhibits flat affect, one should assume they are going to kill their kids? Though these may be mental health markers, they are in no way revelatory in nature, Flat affect and depression do not make one dangerous.
Being admitted to a mental health ward at a hospital means little, and for many people, it is a nice place to "rest up." The fact that she left early may indicate she was feeling better and was ready to get on with life. That she was there in the first place suggests they were addressing mental health issues aas well as could be expected.
She was not committed, and from what I can garner, their was no committment in process, so even the doctors felt she was not a danger to herself or others. Yet, somehow her husband was supposed to foresee her actions? I don't think so.
He didn't make her crazy. He didn't "get her pregnant" any more than she "went and got pregnant." And he didn't drive her to kill her kids. She did it all by herself; and there is little, if anything, anyone but herself could have done to prevent it.
As I said before; hopefully, she will be locked up the rest of her life.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 7:17:20 PM
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Psende, read this story on Andrea Yates at the following website and then tell me you think Rusty is totally blameless.
Andrea Yates Profile
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/7/2008 8:28:26 PM
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Reading Andrea's profile almost seems to take blame away from Rusty. It was Andrea who seemed to embrace the religious teachings of that man. Was Andrea being forced to homeschool? The article didn't say. Also the doctors didn't tell them not to have any more children, he warned them that having more children might bring on more episodes of psychotic behavior. To someone who is not qf that would probably mean do not have any more children. But this couple was qf so they probably were relying on their faith and trust in God to get them through whatever might happen. I have read even here on CW from those who are qf that doctors don't know everything and if someone is convicted about being qf they should follow their convictions.
The article said that she seemed to be coping after Mary was born but when her father died she started going down hill. No one would be able to know that her father would die and that would send her over the edge.
I just think there is so much that went wrong but in the end it was Andrea that drowned each of her five children, one by one, not Rusty.
I did not agree with their lifestyle but if someone knows enough about what they believed I can see why they had more chilren. One of the reasons why I don't like movements like qf is people just don't fit in a nice little box where everyone is the same and can handle many kids. I believe there are some people, and Andrea is a good example, that should not have had any more children.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/8/2008 8:00:00 AM
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Psende, read this story on Andrea Yates at the following website and then tell me you think Rusty is totally blameless.
Andrea Yates Profile
Living in a trailor instead of a 4/3 in surrburbia puts the blame on the hubby for his wife killiing their Children?
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/8/2008 1:03:49 PM
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As I said before; hopefully, she will be locked up the rest of her life.
Only if she'e getting the help she needs.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/8/2008 1:16:06 PM
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If anyone should be held more accountable I would say her psychiatrist should since he refused to put her back on haldol. She was under psychiatric care but did not disclose her homicidal thoughts. Being a nurse I'm sure she knew why she couldn't as that would have meant hospitalization.
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/8/2008 2:17:51 PM
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If anyone should be held more accountable I would say her psychiatrist should since he refused to put her back on haldol. She was under psychiatric care but did not disclose her homicidal thoughts. Being a nurse I'm sure she knew why she couldn't as that would have meant hospitalization.
Then she had the knowledge that what she was considering(and eventually did)was wrong and she was not insane; that woman should already have had the needle in her arm!
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RE: Did Rusty Yates get away with abuse? - 12/8/2008 3:46:40 PM
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She was sane enough to wait until she was alone to act even though she only was left alone for less than an hour when her MIL was scheduled to come in and help with the kids. After the deed she promptly called 911 which shows she knew right from wrong. I am not saying she wasn't sick just saying that she had enough mental faculties to plot and methodically carry out her homicidal plan. For the record, only the oldest child was old enough for mandatory schooling and this happened during the summer after school was out.
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