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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

Dinosaurs were created by God on day 6 of creation week about 6,000 years ago. The Bible does make reference to dinosaurs. The website Answers in Genesis has many articles on this. Here are some links to some of those articles:

What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs and the Bible

Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?

Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?

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ORIGINAL: KaseyTom

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

Dinosaurs were created by God on day 6 of creation week about 6,000 years ago. The Bible does make reference to dinosaurs. The website Answers in Genesis has many articles on this. Here are some links to some of those articles:

What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs and the Bible

Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?

Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?

Each of these articles are complete and utter nonsense. Total 100% made up bologna. Dinosaurs lived between 250-65 million years ago. Humans have been around to about 100,000 years. Every reputable scientist on the planet will tell you this. Every living Nobel Prize winner in the natural sciences will tell you this. Every single one, without exception. Think about that.

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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

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ORIGINAL: KaseyTom

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

Dinosaurs were created by God on day 6 of creation week about 6,000 years ago. The Bible does make reference to dinosaurs. The website Answers in Genesis has many articles on this. Here are some links to some of those articles:

What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs and the Bible

Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?

Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?

Each of these articles are complete and utter nonsense. Total 100% made up bologna. Dinosaurs lived between 250-65 million years ago. Humans have been around to about 100,000 years. Every reputable scientist on the planet will tell you this. Every living Nobel Prize winner in the natural sciences will tell you this. Every single one, without exception. Think about that.

Yes, I am well aware of what "long-age" evolution teaches. I am well aware of the presuppositions used for for this view as well. I assume that for you to consider a scientist to be "reputable", he must adhere to long-age evolution? Since when does having a Nobel Prize make one the authority on what is and is not true? There are probably people with Nobel Prizes that would tell me that God does not exist, that Jesus is not the only way to God, etc., but this obviously does not make this true. There are many people with Ph.D.s that do believe in a six-day creation. AIG has people like this on staff. As far as the articles, you did not dispute anything. All you did is make a sweeping generalization of the articles based on your opinion.

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ORIGINAL: KaseyTom

Yet there are thousands of entire universities, museums, and libraries full of tens of millions of pieces of evidence of an old earth. Not just in one scientific discipline but in dozens, all corroborating each other.

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Any bozo can get a PHD and call them self a scientist. Only the best 2000 scientists in the country are invited to join the National Academy of Sciences, the most prestigious scientific organisation in the world. I will bet you my entire 401K retirement fund against a ham sandwich that not one member of the NAS has anything to do with AiG.

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As for my "sweeping generalizations", if AiG claimed the moon was made of green cheese, would it be a unreasonable to make a sweeping generalization about such a claim without reading it or citing evidence to the contrary?

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ORIGINAL: KaseyTom

Scientist and science have no authority to tell you if there is or is not a God, because it is not a scientific question, it is a religious or philosophical question. The age of the realm of dinosaurs is a scientific question.

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As for disputing the AiG articles, what would you have me do, cite every single one of the millions of pages of research documentation on this subject of dinosaurs? List every one of the the millions of pieces of physical evidence found in the thousands of universities and museums throughout the world? List and compare the weakness and strengths of the 100s of dating methods and how they are used to validate each other?

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These is not one single piece of physical evidence of a young earth, not even the tiniest shred of evidence. Nothing. Nada, Zilch.

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Yet there are thousands of entire universities, museums, and libraries full of tens of millions of pieces of evidence of an old earth. Not just in one scientific discipline but in dozens, all corroborating each other.

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Any bozo can get a PHD and call them self a scientist. Only the best 2000 scientists in the country are invited to join the National Academy of Sciences, the most prestigious scientific organisation in the world. I will bet you my entire 401K retirement fund against a ham sandwich that not one member of the NAS has anything to do with AiG.

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As for my "sweeping generalizations", if AiG claimed the moon was made of green cheese, would it be a unreasonable to make a sweeping generalization about such a claim without reading it or citing evidence to the contrary?

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ORIGINAL: CCCdnt

And yet naturalistic scientists start with the belief/presupposition that there is no God.

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As far as the “age of the realm of dinosaurs” being a scientific question, it is one that requires some presuppositions/assumptions. The age of the realm of dinosaurs is not something that can be directly observed, tested, and repeated in the present. When studying about the distant past, some assumptions have to be made. Those that accept “millions of years” accept different assumptions than those that believe in a “young earth”.

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Well, you could start by at least citing something specific that you believe contradicts what one or more of these articles says.

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From AIG:

Dinosaurs first existed around 6,000 years ago.

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God made the dinosaurs, along with the other land animals, on Day 6 of the Creation Week (Genesis 1:20–25, 31). Adam and Eve were also made on Day 6—so dinosaurs lived at the same time as people, not separated by eons of time. Dinosaurs could not have died out before people appeared because dinosaurs had not previously existed; and death, bloodshed, disease, and suffering are a resultof Adam’s sin.

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Representatives of all the kinds of air-breathing land animals, including the dinosaur kinds, went aboard Noah’s Ark. All those left outside the Ark died in the cataclysmic circumstances of the Flood, and many of their remains became fossils.

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Scientist and science have no authority to tell you if there is or is not a God, because it is not a scientific question, it is a religious or philosophical question.

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The presence or absence of a creative super-intelligence is unequivocally a scientific question...

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As for disputing the AiG articles, what would you have me do, cite every single one of the millions of pages of research documentation on this subject of dinosaurs? List every one of the the millions of pieces of physical evidence found in the thousands of universities and museums throughout the world? List and compare the weakness and strengths of the 100s of dating methods and how they are used to validate each other?

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Any bozo can get a PHD and call them self a scientist.

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"The scientific establishment bears a grisly resemblance to the Spanish Inquisition. Either you accept the rules and attitudes and beliefs promulgated by the 'papacy' (for which read, perhaps, the Royal Society or the Royal College of Physicians), or face a dreadful retribution. We will not actually burn you at the stake, because that sanction, unhappily, is now no longer available under our milksop laws. But we will make damned sure that you are a dead duck in our trade."

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ORIGINAL: jadegrrl

In public school we were taught the 'big bang theory' dinosaurs and homosapiens. I believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God created Adam and Eve. But Dinosaurs were believed to be on earth before man 230 million years ago. There is fossil evidence of dinosaurs so why does the bible not talk about this? Where does this fit in?

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Not a shred of evidence that dinosaurs existed at the same time as humans. In fact, all the evidence points otherwise. No human bones have been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones. No modern mammals of ANY description have ever been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones. No modern plants have ever been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones.

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ORIGINAL: robto

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From AIG:

Dinosaurs first existed around 6,000 years ago.

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Not a shred of physical evidence that (non-bird) dinosaurs existed 6000 years ago.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro-dinos.htm
(They even knew that the tail of the Iguanadon stood out straight behing. Something modern science has only recently discovered.)

Ever hear of the Ica Stones?
They have depictions of dinosaur skin patterns and dermal frills that, again, science has only recently confirmed as being accurate.
http://www.dinosaursandman.com/research/AMAZING_ANATOMICAL_ACCURACY_OF_ICA_DINOSAUR_STONES.pdf
Here are some photos of some of the stones:
http://www.paranormality.com/ica_stones.shtml

As referenced in a different post, a T-rex bone with soft tissue and blood cells intact:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp

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All those left outside the Ark died in the cataclysmic circumstances of the Flood, and many of their remains became fossils.

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By what process did dinosaur bones become fossilized in a mere 6000 years?

Fossilization or petrification can occur VERY rapdily under the right conditions:
http://www.hissheep.org/evolution/proof_of_rapid_petrification.html
http://www.icr.org/article/13/

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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God

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Not a shred of evidence that dinosaurs existed at the same time as humans. In fact, all the evidence points otherwise. No human bones have been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones. No modern mammals of ANY description have ever been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones. No modern plants have ever been found in the same geological context as dinosaur bones.

I recently saw at the Creation Museum where they had found soft tissue in a dinosaur bone. If dinosaurs died out millions of years ago, that wouldn't be possible.

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ORIGINAL: pollywoger

Are you referring to this?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

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Young-earth creationists also see Schweitzer’s work as revolutionary, but in an entirely different way. They first seized upon Schweitzer’s work after she wrote an article for the popular science magazine Earth in 1997 about possible red blood cells in her dinosaur specimens. Creation magazine claimed that Schweitzer’s research was “powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. It speaks volumes for the Bible’s account of a recent creation.”

This drives Schweitzer crazy. Geologists have established that the Hell Creek Formation, where B. rex was found, is 68 million years old, and so are the bones buried in it. She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data. “They treat you really bad,” she says. “They twist your words and they manipulate your data.” For her, science and religion represent two different ways of looking at the world; invoking the hand of God to explain natural phenomena breaks the rules of science. After all, she says, what God asks is faith, not evidence. “If you have all this evidence and proof positive that God exists, you don’t need faith. I think he kind of designed it so that we’d never be able to prove his existence. And I think that’s really cool.” (emphasis added)

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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro-dinos.htm
(They even knew that the tail of the Iguanadon stood out straight behing. Something modern science has only recently discovered.)

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Over 32,000 figures were found, and all of them in perfect condition except for a few that were cleanly broken, perhaps to create the illusion of antiquity. If these were authentic antiquities, they would not be preserved with such perfection in such an inhospitable environment. Pottery is almost always uncovered as fragments called sherds; nowhere have 32,000 unblemished ceramics been uncovered with none of them in fragments and all of them in perfect condition (cleanly broken in two does not count as fragments).

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ORIGINAL: GHitch

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Scientist and science have no authority to tell you if there is or is not a God, because it is not a scientific question, it is a religious or philosophical question.

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The presence or absence of a creative super-intelligence is unequivocally a scientific question...

- Richard Dawkins, the God Delusion (p. 58-59) (2006)

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ORIGINAL: pollywoger

- From the Wikipedia article:

"Don Patton has provided what he claims to be accurate radiocarbon dates for the figures ranging from 6500 years to 1500 years.[3]The laboratories that produced these dates have stated that they were inconclusive, but Dennis Swift claims that once the laboratories discovered what they were dating, they retracted their original dates.[1]The claim is strange because radiocarbon dating can only be performed on items which possess carbon: living or formerly living things, of which pottery or ceramic is neither"

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Genesis is not about science, it is about theology.