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Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/12/2008 11:58:41 PM
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will_o_the_wisp
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Perhaps this sounds like an extremely naive question, especially asked by someone with a Christian heritage, but I'd like to understand exactly what a person means when they encourage someone else to become "saved". What are the steps? Even the most minute detail would be helpful here, in order for me to understand.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/13/2008 8:49:32 AM
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greatdivide46
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Man is not responsible for his salvation -- God is
Based on the above quote I would assume there are no steps that one can take to achieve salvation since God is totally and solely responsible for one's salvation. I guess we're just supposed to sit back and wait until God decides to save us.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/13/2008 8:56:45 AM
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Exactly how is "salvation" achieved?
Salvation is by faith. However, faith is not just believing (James 2:19) the translation of the word used in Greek might be better defined as trusting.
When we can trust in Jesus, we are born again and draw our new life from Jesus (John 15).
Because we are born physically, we are called born in Adam. We have our physical life from Adam, but because we are born in sin, we have no hope of eternal life with God. This condition was known from before the world was made. God planed a way for us to be saved by purposing that Jesus would pay the price for the sin of the world and offer forgiveness from this sin as a gift for those who trust in Jesus.
The Bible says that none would come to Jesus unless the Father drew them. We do not understand completely how election and free will work and many argue intensely over this point. However, most would agree that salvation occurs at a point in time when we trust in Jesus and are "born again", become a new creation, and have our life in Christ.
Since no confirmation ticket is received, there can be doubt among some if they have sufficient trust for salvation. The Bible says that we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. There are ways we can examine ourselves;
1. God's word is foolishness to those who are perishing. If we love God's word, find comfort and assurance there, we may not be among the perishing.
2. Others will know we are Christian because of our love for the brethren. If others can be assured by this, we also should be able to draw assurance.
Many people have doubts about their personal salvation because by and large churches do such a pitiful job of helping Christians grow into the image of Christ (their primary purpose Eph. 4).
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/13/2008 9:56:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: will_o_the_wisp
Perhaps this sounds like an extremely naive question, especially asked by someone with a Christian heritage, but I'd like to understand exactly what a person means when they encourage someone else to become "saved". What are the steps? Even the most minute detail would be helpful here, in order for me to understand.
Salvation is achieved by receiving the saving life of Jesus Christ, our living Lord and Savior.
The wages of sin is death, the gift of God is life, in Jesus Christ. Salvation is the receiving of life...what we are presenting is life to those who are dead.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/13/2008 10:42:02 AM
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bob97
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timf...excellent post and I agree with all you have said.
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Will_o_the_wisp...
You need to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
You need to believe He was crucified and was resurrected from the dead?
You need to believe that the purpose of Christ's death was for your sins?
You need to accept Christ as your savior?
As has already been said...you need to trust and believe!
Rom 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 10/13/2008 2:53:52 PM
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Ezra
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Salvation is multi-faceted, but fundamentally a sinnner is saved when he or she is justified by God's grace through faith in the Person and redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ. "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness". We believe God and it is accounted to us for righteousness.
To believe God is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and to believe on Christ is to repent of our sins and receive Him by faith as both Lord and Savior.
To be justified is not only to be declared righteousness but to be made righteous. God not only forgives our sins and cleanses us through the blood of Christ, but He also gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit, the gift of eternal life, the gift of the righteousness of Christ, and the gift of the new birth through the Holy Spirit. Salvation is essentially Christ in you and you in Christ, because salvation is ultimately the Saviour -- Yeho-shua -- God is our salvation.
Salvation encompasses justification, redemption (deliverance not only from Hell but from our sinful nature and the power of Satan), present and future sanctification (holiness) and future glorification (perfection), and all of this by purely by God's grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.
No man can earn or merit salvation, and salvation cannot be produced through the sprinkling of or immersion in water. All those who trust in their baptism for salvation are plainly deluded.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/1/2008 1:07:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: will_o_the_wisp
Perhaps this sounds like an extremely naive question, especially asked by someone with a Christian heritage, but I'd like to understand exactly what a person means when they encourage someone else to become "saved". What are the steps? Even the most minute detail would be helpful here, in order for me to understand.
You in yourself cannot achieve salvation. Don't let other world religions fool you telling you that you can do a certain amount of good to be saved. There is nothing in yourself that you can do to saved yourself. However there is a way and it is the Cross of Jesus Christ. Much was achieved at the cross. Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sin of mankind. His mission was to show people the way to the kingdom and died for the sins of man. He is the one that salvation is brought by and through. Only putting faith in Jesus Christ can save a person.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/1/2008 1:23:56 PM
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What are the steps?
The ABC's of Faith
Admit-“[Jesus] proved He had a valid claim [to His Deity] but His own rejected His claim yet as many as receives His message; to them he claimed the right to become redeemed of God and appropriate His Name.“ John 1:11,12
Believe-“[you can be] freed from the arrogance that enslaves you [and] come into His obedience resulting in purification and Eternal Life. For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of is Eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 3:22,23
Confess-“[His message] is near you, in your mouth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching that if you confess [obedience to] Jesus as Lord with your mouth and you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes resulting in righteousness and with his mouth he confesses resulting in [obedience].” Romans 10:8-10
Salvation(in Christ Jesus)is when one appropriates(claims for oneself)Jesus' message of obedience/sacrifice and His Victory that(all) redeemed souls share.
< Message edited by LCannon -- 11/1/2008 2:33:26 PM >
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/2/2008 8:03:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: will_o_the_wisp
Perhaps this sounds like an extremely naive question, especially asked by someone with a Christian heritage, but I'd like to understand exactly what a person means when they encourage someone else to become "saved". What are the steps? Even the most minute detail would be helpful here, in order for me to understand.
Dear WoW,
The first thing I thought of was St. Peter's response after he preached his great sermon in Acts ch. 2. "Now when they heard this they were cut to tthe heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what must we do?' And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to Him. And he testified with many othe words and exhorted them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation." Acts 2:37-40
I think if you read this chapter and understand its context, you will discover that Peter the Apostle was encouraging these people to turn from their sins and be saved. Simply put, they heard the message but on their part they needed to repent and be baptized, as St. Peter instructed them.
This is just the beginning of one's journey on the path toward the Celestial City. Each step of the way can be painful yet joyful. "There is a joy in the journey, there's a Light we can love on the way. There is a wonder and wildness to life, and freedom for those who obey." (Michael Card)
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/3/2008 12:11:32 PM
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drmark
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What are the steps? It seems to me that the essential nature of this question centers on the concept of the ORDO SALUTIS, the so-called order of salvation. However, the answer to your title question is much simpler and thus "exactly" unanswerable in human understanding. We are saved by the grace of the infinite, spiritual God which (and Who) is "exactly" incomprehensible by finite, physical man.
May I inquire, will_o_the_wisp, why you are asking such an unanswerable question?
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/21/2008 7:06:30 PM
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Salvation is achieved when we believe from our heart that Jesus is the son of God, that He died on the cross, and was raised again. In order to come to salvation, one must know that they need God for their salvation. It is God who brings us to this realization. It is most often due to dissatisfaction with the way that we are living or our circumstances. Many do come to faith just by hearing the gospel, which creates the knowledge that we need Jesus.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/22/2008 10:58:05 AM
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bob97
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What are we really doing when we accept Jesus Christ as our savior? Aren’t we really recognizing God as our LORD and Master? Subverting our own human will and accepting the Supreme Leadership of God into our lives. It’s a promise on our parts to love and obey.
We might not understand all that the decision entails at the time of our affirmation but this is what we are doing.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/22/2008 2:05:56 PM
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In it all I wonder what Love has got to do with it? Simply put, you need to know God. Or at least want to know God. Now many use the word , "Believe", as if thinking or hoping were enough, but I would suggest it means knowing. Knowing the power of the ressurrection, knowing the love of God and knowing the will of God. All this comes about not by reading about God but talking to and loving God.
The call to all men is, do you want to know God? Now make no mistakes about it, the consequences of falling into the hands of the living God is a fearful thing and for those who do not yet know Him, it can be too much to accept. Nevertheless, those of us who do see their own wretchedness do call upon Him and He is there. He does not say in vain;
Re 3:20 - Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
I do not beleive there are steps to follow that can bring you safely to Christ for it is not a mechanical process that we are talking about but a very real, honest and above all a loving relationship that is required. Thus keeping the law will not save you, doing many good works will not save you, but knowing Christ is to love Christ and that will save you. For literally, if we love Christ, we will have obeyed His commandments.
You could say that in the end, questions about my own salvation are of secondary importance when faced with my love for Him. If at the gates of heaven they were to ask me, are you saved? I will have to say, I don't know or care but I must see Jesus for I have not come to Him out of fear of hell but love.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/22/2008 11:03:35 PM
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bob97
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Terry...
People do good works out of fear but you’re right they don’t always have love in their heart. I can honestly say I didn’t love God when I came to him but I was drawn by a consuming desire to know Him and in that process I came to love Him. That love grows every day as I grow to know Him more intimately and I know I will love Him more tomorrow than I do today.
It’s kind of like a marriage…you have a deep feeling for the mate you have chosen but love is a process that develops over time as we grow to know that other person in a deeper and cherished way.
Bob
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/23/2008 9:25:34 PM
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Perhaps this sounds like an extremely naive question, especially asked by someone with a Christian heritage, but I'd like to understand exactly what a person means when they encourage someone else to become "saved". What are the steps? Even the most minute detail would be helpful here, in order for me to understand.
We are encouraging someone to come alive to God through faith in Jesus Christ.
1. When God created Adam, He breathed His life, the Holy Spirit, into Adam and he became a living being (Genesis 2:7).
2. God told Adam that on the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die, have the spirit of God removed from Him (Genesis 2:17).
3. Adam sinned and died spiritually. All mankind is therefore born in to this world, in the image of Adam (not in the image of God), spiritually dead to God in sin (Genesis 5:3).
4. God desired to once again indwell His creation, but first had to deal with the sin that caused that life to leave in the first place. Or else the next time a person sinned that life would leave them. Therefore, Jesus, the only man born with a life to give, because He was born spiritually alive, was the only man who could satisfy God's requirement of death as sufficient payment for our sins (1 John 4:10).
5. Now that our sins no longer are an issue between us and God, we are free to receive God's offer of life, as a free gift, made available through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
6. The life we lost in Adam is now restored to us through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And because of the cross, there is now no sin that can cause that life to leave. That is why it is called an eternal life. (Hebrews 9:12).
The Gospel is sin, death, forgiveness, life...
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 11/27/2008 7:51:12 AM
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I agree with LCannon and Heavendweller. In the one instance, Paul says exactly what we need to do. Confess and believe. In the other instance, the people specifically asked what they needed to do, and Peter tells them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so they could receive the promise.
Since both scriptural instances are clear and unambiguous, I would go with those. If the person you are speaking of believes, have them confess Christ as Lord, disciple them with knowledge and good doctrine so they can repent of their former ways, and invite them to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I wouldn't say that that is the precise formula for everyone. Obviously there was the thief on the cross who couldn't be baptized, etc. However, if the freedom exists to go the whole nine yards, the entire experience can be amazing and life altering.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/11/2008 11:28:31 AM
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How exactly are you defining salvation?
A get-out-of-hell free card?
A changed life and lifestyle?
Jesus (Heb: Yeshua) the very name is the word "Salvation." Salvation is ultimately a person, not an action or state of being. How do you achieve a person?
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/11/2008 11:35:47 AM
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drmark
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A get-out-of-hell free card?
A changed life and lifestyle? I'm not sure whom you're asking, Dave, but I believe salvation is both.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/11/2008 12:13:33 PM
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bob97
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How exactly are you defining salvation?
To believe in and adapt our lives to follow Jesus Christ...to give up our own will and allow the will of God to rule our lives. This is how I define salvation! But I am rather odd.
Bob
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/11/2008 12:20:43 PM
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2 Cor 5:17-21
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Call me crazy, but I really do believe that that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/11/2008 12:37:38 PM
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bob97
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Of course He was conan;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
How else could one interpret the above verse...God in the flesh is how I read it.
Bob
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/12/2008 8:06:18 AM
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conan
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How else could one interpret the above verse...
Just as it reads Bob ..."the world". The same world "God so loves"
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RE: Exactly how is "salvation" achieved? - 12/12/2008 3:33:04 PM
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bob97
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Didn't you mean word rather than world conan?
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