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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 3:04:51 PM
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JimboFletch
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Howdy Mc. Them there disciples were workin' wid nary a thang but human logic because, ya see, they haddent been filled wid the Holy Spirit yet. Got it?
I was just wondering is this a slam on me? Because I believe you can't do that if I understand the rules around here.
Especially rules # 6 in the TOS.
Shucks, Mc, 'splainin' thangs ain't a TOS, even wid my unedumacated talkin'. Ifn I called y'all names or made unkind remarks 'bout your ancestors, then it'd be bad 'nuf to raport me. But youse be all kinds of welcome to tattle. 'Kay?
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 3:25:54 PM
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The father represents God. Both sons represent members of the father's family - joint heirs in Christ. Not lost, unrepentant enemies of the Father and His Kingdom. At no time in the parable did either son lose sonship, that much is also clear.
Here is something to chew on:
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away to be brought back to repentence, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again subjecting him to public disgrace.
Seems according to me with that passage. Maybe the Father should not have forgiven the son who went away.
It seem you believe those in the verses from Hebrews to be saved and actually lost something... Many folks toy with the idea of believing in Christ up to the point where conflicts with what is important to them, namely themselves... Judas being a great example and those Christ told were not given to Him by the Father in John 6... The prodigal son wasn't a phony and never lost his standing as a son...
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 4:08:58 PM
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It seem you believe those in the verses from Hebrews to be saved and actually lost something... Many folks toy with the idea of believing in Christ up to the point where conflicts with what is important to them, namely themselves... Judas being a great example and those Christ told were not given to Him by the Father in John 6... The prodigal son wasn't a phony and never lost his standing as a son...
In Hebrews 6 it does imply that you could walk out of fellowship with him. To what does it take for that to happen I don't know. To some people I seen their fruits and I question if they even made confession of faith according to the reform teachings. Or said a praying in baptist circles about repenting from their ways.
It is a passage were I have meet the most knowlegeable people who teach in Dallas Theological Sem., Grand Rapids Bapist Sem., and even Hope Sem. in Holland Mich. Where they won't make a comment on it for it talking a eternal security.
The story talks of a son you ask his father for his inheritance, before his dad had even passed away. Which right there he could care the lest about his father. He went and squander all the money he recieved, doesn't say he thought about his dad as he did that. But when he had landed on the bottom like eating with the pigs.(very dirty) Which is a great taboo with us Jews. He came to his senses. Started to jounery to his father house.
Now I realise Jesus was talking to Jewish people that day. And was probably intending to show them that God had open arms to welcome them back. Just as he wants to save even Christians today.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 4:15:37 PM
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JimboFletch
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Now I realise Jesus was talking to Jewish people that day. And was probably intending to show them that God had open arms to welcome them back. Just as he wants to save even Christians today.
If so, who was the other son that never left? Could it be that it had nothing to do with Israel as a nation but two sons (believers), one of which rebelled by going into the world and the other stayed and expected that his work gained him special merit when the love of the father (God) for his sons was unconditional?
Just thinking out loud...
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 9:37:03 PM
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According to scripture, the only prayer that the lost can be assured that God here's is the one that begs mercy by grace through faith (it is the gift of God). may WANT the parable of the prodigal son to apply to others, but it only applies to the redeemed.
not so certain about either claim jimbo.
Then let's just go to the scripture for just one reference to let you know that no every prayer reaches God's ear:
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me
-Psalm 66:18
As for your convoluted overreaction to the parable, the son did not, in fact, die nor lose his sonship, only his fellowship with his father. You apparently do not understand Hebrew literary devices to express extreme emotion.
You cannot convolute the parable enough to change that neither son was ever anything but sons.
Psalm 66:18 means, Our confession of sin must be continual because we continue to do wrong. But true confession requires us to listen to God and to want to stop doing what is wrong. David confessed his sin and prayed, "Forgive my hidden faults. Keep your servant also from willful sins" (19:12, 13). When we refuse to repent or when we harbor and cherish certain sins, we place a wall between us and God. We may not be able to remember every sin we have ever committed, but our attitude should be one of confession and obediene.
1 Peter 3:7 is another verse on how prayer can be hindered.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 9:44:53 PM
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It's remarkable that there is always one person, that always seems to know more than someone else, and every where this person goes, there is a DEBATE. Just remarkable. No credit ever given to anyone else.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/23/2008 11:04:36 PM
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In Hebrews 6 it does imply that you could walk out of fellowship with him.
People walk out of fellowship all the time... That doesn't mean they were saved... If they were of us they would have remained but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 7:46:58 AM
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No I never heard of that being explain the way Doug tries to explain it. This where I don't understand where someone writes something or says something, off the top of their brain and come up with ideas like this without backing it up. In his writing did he leave a footnote on it? To be able to research what he mention.
No, there was no footnote to this, no source given.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 10:37:14 AM
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No, there was no footnote to this, no source given.
Then it would lead me to believe he is making it up.
Rabbis like today, and teachers give their comment to certain passages, as how they read it. Just as we do here, debating back and forth.
All I can picture in that passage is what I was told to me.That they did back then, would add rooms to the main house, as the man went out and found his wife.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 10:49:25 AM
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Howdy Mc. Them there disciples were workin' wid nary a thang but human logic because, ya see, they haddent been filled wid the Holy Spirit yet. Got it?
I was just wondering is this a slam on me? Because I believe you can't do that if I understand the rules around here.
Especially rules # 6 in the TOS.
Shucks, Mc, 'splainin' thangs ain't a TOS, even wid my unedumacated talkin'. Ifn I called y'all names or made unkind remarks 'bout your ancestors, then it'd be bad 'nuf to raport me. But youse be all kinds of welcome to tattle. 'Kay?
Jimbo, you sound like a cross between Pa Kettle and Ricky Ricardo!!!
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 10:50:07 AM
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People walk out of fellowship all the time... That doesn't mean they were saved... If they were of us they would have remained but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us.
Really people walk out of fellowship all the time. Could King David not have pulled that stunt he did and stay in the fellowship with God? Please does that mean David isn't heading towards heaven? David didn't remain faithful to God. Especially when he went and laid with another man's wife and then had her old man killed in a war. Woe what books have you been reading lately, to give you that ideal? The reason David got back in the grace of God was he repented of his sin.
Could be they weren't saved. But Paul in his letter to the church of Corinth. Told them to remove the man with love, who was sinning and after he had come to his senses. Then they were to allow him to come back, into the fold.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 11:13:33 AM
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From the beloved Apostle:
They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
-1 John 2:19
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 2:12:21 PM
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Their conversations are entirely divisive and full of deconstructionism.
You will notice, Denimdiva, if you cruise through this thread (and various EC blogs) and observe the various EC posters/bloggers, that they spend a great deal of time twisting and deconstructing Scripture and the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The emergent conversation is, on the whole, a conversation which does not bring good fruit.
Sad reality.
I went to an ECM Bible study last night. They wound up talking about their church.
One member is happy the church accepted her without passing judgement or even asking why she and her boyfriend are living together and have no plans to marry.
Another pointed out how wonderful it was that he still got to play with the praise team even though he was drunk last Sunday.
The pastor's wife talked about her "ministry" in helping women get abortions.
The pastor said that he would rather people not call him a Christian because Christians are so judgemental. He commented on how Christians want Prop 8 to pass and how that will hurt the homosexuals in his church.
I told him not to worry, I wouldn't call a Christian anymore. He took that as just part of my off-beat sense of humor. Too bad he didn't realize that I wasn't smiling.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/24/2008 2:53:08 PM
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From the new ECM biblical dictionary:
SIN: Mythical condition of "wrong doing" invented by people who don't know how to have fun.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/25/2008 1:17:29 AM
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What is the emergent church? Is this the false prophet or just the western "christianized" portion of it? Is it just another cult like LDS or JW's? I know it is the natural extension of the seeker sensitive movement combined with theological liberalism, but can any wise brothers see where it might be headed? Please provide citations.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 11:20:04 AM
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What is the emergent church? Is this the false prophet or just the western "christianized" portion of it? Is it just another cult like LDS or JW's? I know it is the natural extension of the seeker sensitive movement combined with theological liberalism, but can any wise brothers see where it might be headed? Please provide citations.
I guess some people wanted to put a name to something. They came up with that name of a movement. There are certain names and books which have been written about the movement.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 11:53:11 AM
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Well, I went to the ECM services this morning. The same church where I went to the Bible study Thursday night. This time I was blessed to chat with the elder in the church. She is a Christian psychic. I always thought that was an oxymoron, but I guess not.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 12:18:29 PM
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She is a Christian psychic. I always thought that was an oxymoron, but I guess not
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 3:21:43 PM
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Well, I went to the ECM services this morning. The same church where I went to the Bible study Thursday night. This time I was blessed to chat with the elder in the church. She is a Christian psychic. I always thought that was an oxymoron, but I guess not.
Roberta not be a problem but name the church you are talking about like First Church of Glendale CA.. Please?
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 7:49:34 PM
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*snicker, snicker* Did y'all see? The PDL people are in a "time out"! So ya better play nice!
Oh, and your "Christian Psychic"? Probably just a Halloween get-up.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 7:50:47 PM
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Roberta not be a problem but name the church you are talking about like First Church of Glendale CA.. Please?
No, mcleod...that would definitely not be cool!
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 10/27/2008 11:28:32 PM
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Their conversations are entirely divisive and full of deconstructionism.
You will notice, Denimdiva, if you cruise through this thread (and various EC blogs) and observe the various EC posters/bloggers, that they spend a great deal of time twisting and deconstructing Scripture and the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The emergent conversation is, on the whole, a conversation which does not bring good fruit.
Sad reality.
I went to an ECM Bible study last night. They wound up talking about their church.
One member is happy the church accepted her without passing judgement or even asking why she and her boyfriend are living together and have no plans to marry.
Another pointed out how wonderful it was that he still got to play with the praise team even though he was drunk last Sunday.
The pastor's wife talked about her "ministry" in helping women get abortions.
The pastor said that he would rather people not call him a Christian because Christians are so judgemental. He commented on how Christians want Prop 8 to pass and how that will hurt the homosexuals in his church.
I told him not to worry, I wouldn't call a Christian anymore. He took that as just part of my off-beat sense of humor. Too bad he didn't realize that I wasn't smiling.
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Well, I went to the ECM services this morning. The same church where I went to the Bible study Thursday night. This time I was blessed to chat with the elder in the church. She is a Christian psychic. I always thought that was an oxymoron, but I guess not.
So, given all this, what do you think? Is this a church you want to be a part of?
Is there any church in your area that is more Biblical?
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